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Hebrews 4:9-10
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Hebrews 4:9-10 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.



Chris has mentioned this earlier under the Hebrews 4:9,10 post.


Just thought I'd add a little more to it. To rest is to find peace. Finding rest is the heavenly blessedness in which God dwells, and of which he has promised to make persevering believers in Christ partakers after the toils and trials of life on earth are ended. (Strong's)

The initial toils and trials of life are the battles true Christians have against sin.



To rest in this context is to finally be in a place where our conscience no longer convicts us of sin, and where we are done with our sin where we can finally find rest or have peace of mind that we have denied ourselves the right to follow our sin and accept the spirit of God. The world has been convicted of sin. We have been convicted of sin.

Paul said "I have fought the fine fight." Against what? Jesus said, "take courage I have conquered the world. Conquered what?

As Paul was, we too are in a fight against our own sin, and when we finally win over sin by not giving in to our desires, we win the fight and resist Satan so he will flee from us and this is where we can rest.

To conquer the world as Jesus did is to resist all fleshly temptations which drive us to sin. Having faith that through Jesus words of encouragement and the power of Gods spirit is what will aid us in driving our sins away. When our conscience no longer convicts us of our sin and we can come to the place where we know we are obedient to the word of God, we have peace of mind. We have entered God's rest.
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Well said Jeremy! interesting subject for many reasons.
 
What I find interesting about this rest, is the journey to the place of rest.
For example when we are in our struggles e.g. the cycle of attempting to overcome, failing, giving up, returning for another attempt etc, etc,
we have no concept of what's on the other side of the sin we do, or in other words we have no idea what it's like to  be in control of desire instead
of desire being in control of us.
 
We automatically know how to pursue desire because it's easy and it's what we want to do, the good and the bad. To deny desire that is against
God takes trust in God with all faith, that if we make a lasting attempt at overcoming, there will be something to replace the sin we love and
struggle to give up.
 
In the end it comes down to choice, do we love the sin we do more than God? How many times do we need to fall to temptation before making
that resolve to truly reject sin. The place of unrest is the place where sin/Satan has control and power, where we cannot enter God's rest because
we keep choosing sin.
 
Once we overcome with success and taste the rest of God we can then understand and maintain our position against sin. This is where the cycle
of overcoming is in part the building of our temple, the spirit teaches us ways to build that sin cannot tear down. When we finally believe and
trust in God we will succeed and overcome. 
 
This does not mean we rest from being on guard against Satan's temptations, Satan never gives up trying to enter our temple or trying to tear
down our what we have built.
 
I pray that anyone reading this that is struggling can find the strength to trust in God and have faith that the rest in God is more valuable than the
sin you are practicing, you won't be disappointed! you have it in your power to choose God instead of Satan. If you make this choice the spirit
will dwell in your temple and you will rest. Arm yourself by reading God's Word, pray, and reject sin.
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#3
Hey Chris, thanks for that. Here's  few thoughts I've had recently and I'd be interested to see what you think.
It's interesting that you made mention of the giving up of our fleshly desires but not knowing what would replace this. This does require great faith, as it's not up to us to replace that empty void we may feel is going to occur.
It's quite similar to someone who is overcoming an addiction. If they don't replace the empty void with something of value then they will most likely return to that same addiction and be more convinced in their minds that they enjoy what they do. In this case though, we are not the ones who fill the void but it is God. This is where we have to trust him to take over.
And that is why the value we place on God has to be greater than our addiction. This value can only be increased by understanding who God is, and the only way to do this is through His Word.
 
It reminds me of this scripture which most scholars apply to the old Law covenant the Israelites were under and it's contrast with the new covenant that Jesus spoke of. If we look at it with the understanding that the old Law covenant represents our flesh and the New covenant represents God's spirit, it takes on a whole new dimension.
 
Luke 5:36-39
 
36 Then He spoke a parable to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old. 37 And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. 38 But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved. 39 And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.’”
 
We cannot operate as spiritual (spirit of God) persons if we are still living following the desires of our flesh. Paul said we cannot partake of the table of demons and the table of God at the same time, meaning, we cannot follow our fleshly desires and do the will of God simultaneously.
To accept the "new spirit" that God is willing to gift us, we first of all need to be willing to give up our fleshly desires so that the vessel we have become is one that is Holy and acceptable or made "new", in order to receive "new wine" or Gods Spirit.
 
Verse 39 describes the nature of being born in the flesh as something better or easier as it comes natural to each of us. Here we understand that accepting the spirit doesn't happen immediately and we have to make the transition of making our bodies as "new wineskins" first.
 
Our body has to put on the "new personality" or "no longer be conformed to the world" or put on "new wineskins" in order to receive the "new wine", which is God's spirit.
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If we read from Luke 5:17 on we can grasp the context before verse 34 which is Jesus and his disciples being questioned about their actions in
relation to the Jewish oral traditions/Law and where from verses 17-32 Jesus showed the purpose of his actions, which ranged from healing,
forgiving sins and to call sinners to repentance. Then in verse 33 Jesus is questioned again. Jesus answered their questions with plain understandable
answers but the scribes and Pharisees could not see, or believe who Jesus was, even though they heard His teachings and observed signs from the
works Jesus did. From verse 34 Jesus gives them a final cryptic answer and explanation by parable, where in this parable Jesus explains what he
was doing then to what was to come after his departure.
 
  36 Then He spoke a parable to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one;  otherwise the new makes a tear,
and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old.
 
We are the old Garment that has a hole in need of repair, we need a physician
(verse 31) with the necessary skills and with the appropriate knowledge of selecting the correct patch/material to be patched successfully,
or in other words what we struggle with (overcoming sin, hurt, etc) will be made worse if we attempt overcoming Satan and the spirit of
the word without Jesus.
 
If we patch, yes the hole will be covered, but it will be visibly clear that something is not right, as the patch does not match the garment.
It will be visibly clear that in time our patch will pull away and make a tear/new hole, which is the sin and struggles we attempted to overcome returning.
At this point will we then choose Jesus? or will we choose to try and cover our sin and struggles with another patch? or will we choose to give-up and
go with our desire for sin completely? will we continue to allow the offences and pain caused by others to control our thoughts? The hole/damage will
only become worse; where in the end the garment will become ruined and unrecoverable.    
 
37 And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined.
38 But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved.  
39 And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.
 
When we are new to God's Word we are new wineskins ready to absorb and be conditioned by the Word. When we have absorbed the new wine
(truth of God) into our wineskin and have become conditioned and matured in God's Word we cannot take God's Word new again. If we reach the
point of being born again in spirit we cannot return to be born again. Being born is a process until birth, after birth the process is complete, therefore
we cannot be born again in spirit, only return to death, which is to return to sin. Jesus is showing by putting new wine into an old wineskin that if a
matured wineskin rejects God after coming to know Him the matured wineskin will not return because the matured wineskin cannot be renewed
to the Word of God.
 
To clarify, who are we talking about in this context of no return?
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they
crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
 
We can see that by reaching "understanding" or as in Hebrew 6:4 to become  "enlightened" shows the finish of becoming re-born in spirit through the
process of overcoming; to have surrendered our desire for sin by choosing God and to have become a partaker of the Holy Spirit; to have received
repair from the physician and through this process of birth, having received a new spirit from God, to then return to sin means rejection of God after
overcoming, equipped with full knowledge and understanding, a direction of no return.
 
Once we have matured in God's Word and have tasted the truth and power of the Word (old wine) we continue to desire the taste of old wine, we
desire solid food not milk. Hebrews 5:14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses
exercised to discern both good and evil.
 
Hebrews 12:2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising
the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
 
We can see that Jesus was showing the scribes and Pharisees what was to come, we can also see that apart from the scribes and Pharisees being
blinded by Law, as they only knew Law not spirit, there was no way they could have understood this parable, as the spirit/the helper had not yet
become available to do these works in the lives of those who believe. There is no way they could have understood that Jesus was speaking about
becoming re-born in spirit, which cannot be understood unless one chooses to overcome and allow the spirit to patch our garment and finish our faith.
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Why did you stop posting the weekly scriptures btw? Are you posting them elsewhere?
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#6
Hi Bolles, sorry for the late reply! for some reason your post did not show up as a new post, so I missed it.

No, I am not posting the weekly scripture else were. Basically the idea behind this forum is to discuss scriptures and
our life as followers of Jesus etc. For further growth and support. The scriptures I selected for each weekly scripture were
selected because there is information or a message within them that is not so obvious, therefore there was more to learn
from these scriptures. I call the messages within these scriptures hidden treasure.  

I eventually reached a place where I could not find anymore scriptures that needed further interpretation without
entering into interpretation of prophecy, which is not indented for the weekly scripture.  

If I continued to post weekly scriptures would be pointless as the scriptures posted would be self explanatory where
I could not really add much to them and besides that there are others like https://www.verseoftheday.com/  already doing basic commentary.  
   
The idea is anyone can join and post a question or their own subject where all can discuss using the scriptures to find the answer.
Please feel free to post a scripture or subject to discuss if you want. 

Thanks for posting

Kind regards
Chris
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